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Bell-bottoms and psychedelic rock — two touchstones of the 1960s — may still be considered relics of the past. But another trait of the seismic sixties, social activism, is back, and it’s something your clients may want to see reflected in their portfolio.
One in five Americans joined street protests or political rallies between 2016 and April 2018, according to a Washington Post-Kaiser Family Foundation poll, as the country is witnessing a greater sensitivity to social causes.
Clients may not leave their political views in the street when they come into your office to discuss their portfolios. That’s a reality Tim Kaijala, director of investment research at O’Brien Wealth Partners, is already noticing. Socially responsible investing comes up in about 10% of the conversations advisors have with their clients at the $580 million assets-under-management advisory firm, he says. Kaijala works closely with advisors to make changes to the firm’s model portfolios.
Clients will tell advisors they want to make a statement with their portfolios, “I want to make the world a better place for my kids and I want to leave them money,” he says. “These questions come up very organically.” This makes so-called ESG, or environmental, social and governance, something the firm sees as increasingly a core offering. Since being founded in 1986 by a Harvard Business School professor, the firm has brought on clients with an average net worth of $2 million to $5 million. The firm also works with area churches where the mission statements often include social responsibility.
Kaijala offers three guidelines for advisory firms who wish to be prepared for such client wishes, including:
Socially responsible companies can also enjoy a reduction in risk exposure, which can benefit investors. Recent scandals over data security and environmental accidents can damage a firm with governmental, reputational or financial punishments. With our clients, we talk about “risk reduction” of socially responsible investing and the potential to deliver better results by avoiding losses from preventable accidents or reputational shocks.
Already, O’Brien is moving more toward a socially responsible focus firmwide, Kaijala says. When clients see their portfolios being used to bring about positive societal change, “it’s a huge win for the world in general,” he says. “My clients love hearing those stories.”
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How to Meet Clients’ Social Causes
Matt Krantz:
Capital Group is here at the Charles Schwab Impact 2017 Conference and we're here with Tim Kaijala, who is with O'Brien Wealth Partners. He's going to be talking to us about ESG.
Thanks for joining us. I appreciate it.
Tim Kaijala:
Absolutely.
Matt Krantz:
So, how often do clients ask for ESG solutions when you're building portfolios for them?
Tim Kaijala:
So, we get it quite a bit, uh, maybe 10% of the time, it's going to come up in a conversation. Um, we tend to find it comes up very naturally in our conversations.
We, we're very tied with our financial planners in, in how we do our investing. And so, whenever something comes up in a financial planning conversation about, um, "You know, I want to make the world a better place for my kids and I want to leave them money," and that's kind of a natural segue way into it. Um, so there's a lot of times that these questions come up, um, just very organically.
Matt Krantz:
Do you build model portfolio, portfolios based on certain ESG concerns?
Tim Kaijala:
Yeah. So, what we do is we have an asset allocation that's shared across our firm with all of our clients, um, and because we're using mutual funds, we can express those ideas in the different asset classes just through the different mutual funds. Um, and so while our asset allocation is the same for all of our clients, we can slot in, um, these responsible managers in each of these asset classes.
Matt Krantz:
Is there a lot of customization that's required? For example, are you able to-
Tim Kaijala:
Yeah.
Matt Krantz:
... take a basic portfolio and apply it all of your clients, or do you need to pull things out, or let the clients decide what they want in there?
Tim Kaijala:
Yeah. So, we've, we've implemented in a number of different ways. We have some clients that kind of want to tiptoe into the waters. And so, we'll put, you know, one or two funds into the portfolio and they can watch them and become comfortable with them. Um, we have certain clients that implemented on the equity side, but not the fixed income side. Um, and we have certain clients that for gains and tax reasons, they just can't afford to, to sell everything and, and go on to something else. So, we'll be more opportunistic in how we implement that or, or execute it inside the portfolio. Um, so there's certainly a, a level of customization that goes into this, um, and I think there always will be.
Matt Krantz:
That's great.
Tim Kaijala:
Yeah.
Matt Krantz:
Well, thank you so much, Tim.
Tim Kaijala:
No, thank you.
Matt Krantz:
This is a great angle on investing-
Tim Kaijala:
Yeah.
Matt Krantz:
... one that a lot of RAs are trying to tackle.
Tim Kaijala:
Absolutely, yeah. Thank you.
Matt Krantz:
Great. That's it. Tim Kaijala explaining on ESG and how that could really work in your client's portfolios when applied in a logical way. This is Capital Group at Charles Schwab Impact 2017.
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